is it just me or does this fuckin’ reek of “MRA” without explicitly saying “MRA”
MGTOW and the MRM are very different movements. MGTOW pretty much step out of society altogether, refusing their gender role, choosing not to have a family, or even build wealth. The world expects men to work hard, support a family, ignore his health, well-being, and sanity for the benefit of those around them. Frankly I don’t understand why feminists dislike the movement so much, from what I can tell these are the ideal men feminists want. Gone from their lives and holding lower positions opening more at the top for women.
THE MRM is a movement focused on shoring up areas where men are lacking in society by opening shelters, abuse lines, and attempting to hold events that talk about suicide and societies toxic view of men.
How toxic is that view? You are in your comment attempting to shame men for not adhering to their gender role, by comparing them to people who want to help men who need it. As if that is somehow shameful to do.
Yep - if you look online you’ll see there is actually quite a bit of opposition between the two camps: MRAs are, as the name implies, activists and work to improve conditions for men and boys, repeal misandric laws, open up male shelters, lobby for equal rights in the eyes of the law for men etc. Whereas MGTOWs basically just believe the male place in the present world is irredeemably fucked and so have decided to basically just drop out of society, all traditional male roles, societal expectations and responsibilities.
Neither of these positions is more correct or valid than the other, but you can easily see how those two ways of looking at the world lead to very different positions in many issues.
It is irredeemably fucked. MGTOW is the logical response to a world that has decided that the idea of a men’s rights movement is a joke. If they won’t let us play a fair game, they can play it without us. Fuck them.
Right now I’m so appalled at the world I kinda agree with you. If the relationship I’m presently in ended I’d probably go MGTOW too. In a world in which you are constantly demonized and scapegoated at every turn simply for being born with a Y chromosome, the social contract cannot help but break down. You have to offer men something to make them continue sacrificing themselves for society, but the past 50 years feminism has systematically stripped away all possible incentives for men to commit to marriage, chivalry, heroism, etc.
Without men committing to such things, civilization cannot help but break down quite rapidly, and maybe it should. It may be easier to start again from the rubble than fix the insane mess we’re presently living.
I’ve thought a long while about the MGTOW thing. The problem here is I have seen plenty of individuals within the movement specifically hate women and men who don’t agree with them. Is that the purpose of the movement? I think not. But I’m not even gonna let myself be related to that mess. As far as I know, none of the front runners have that belief, but still too much for me to wanna fuck with
It’s true, MGTOWs are much more likely to have very sour, sweepingly dismissive attitudes to all women than MRAs - they’ve given up on believing in them, after all.
But it kind of shows you just how hurt many of those men have been in the past - it’s evolutionarily hardwired into us to desire and care for women much more than women do in reverse, so it takes an awful lot for a man to try convince himself they’re not worth the effort any longer, which is really what I see underlying much of their rhetoric: men daily reminding themselves all the reasons they should not let a woman close, simply for their own protection. There’s actually something very monk-like about many MGTOWs, I always think - the same renunciation and self-discipline, etc.
And no it’s not pretty, and it’s not the life that any whole, thriving, happy and well-adjusted person would choose to live in an ideal world, but there we go. They’re not and it isn’t. It is what it is.